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Nanobrewery, Toby Keith & Billiards Face NIMBY Opposition

Posted by Foobooz on February 11th, 2011

This Friday we spot a trio of projects that are battling neighborhood opposition.

1200 Bank’s plan to turn the ten-year vacant Beneficial Bank Building at 12th and Chestnut into a high-end billiards parlor with rooftop bar needs zoning changes as billiards is a prohibited use in that section of Center City. Councilman Frank DiCicco has introduced legislation to allow the project to go forward. Some neighbors are irate and promise to challenge the “constitutional validity” of the legislation. [KYW News Radio]

Internet developer Tim Patton wanted to build Saint Benjamin Brewery, a nano-brewery in his house in Fishtown. The tiny operation would have produced four kegs a week and despite assurances that there would be no smell and no explosions of yeast, it was shot down by the neighborhood 36-32. [Philadelphia Daily News]

Local groups in Old City are lining up to oppose a development at 401 Race Street. The latest has the hotel/retail/residential project being anchored by a 23,000 sqft country music themed bar/restaurant/dance venue affiliated with country music’s Toby Keith. These project originally was proposed with a Harley Davidson themed restaurant. We can’t figure out if this is better or worse. [Plan Philly]


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    • barryg

      Why do people move into Center City if they are against commercial development?

      Toby Keith is a surefire way to rile up the upper middle class, east coasters that live in Old City… what is the developer thinking?

    • Sara

      People get pissed about NIMBY-ness of neighborhood associations, but are they actually attending the meetings? Maybe if more new residents attended these meetings, the scale could be tipped.

      I guess the oldheads in the FNA doesn’t mind the plethora of public drunkenness in the neighborhood, though – god forbid someone wanting to make beer better than Keystone Light.

    • Snake

      I’d like to see a decent midsized country music venue in this town – who knows what this one would be like. Obviously this will never pass muster from the Center City crowd though.

    • mike

      I hope they stop that 1200 Bank project. Where will I urinate and/or sleep my fix off now?

    • Snake

      @Mike

      The plans and idea look great. Neighborhood residents are opposing it? Where do these people live? The only residents of that neighborhood that I was aware of were on the grates outside of the PGW offices.

    • Mike

      I really have a problem with everything that will bring more taxes into this city being shot down, all 3 ideas would bring something that is lacking to each area. I really hope that Tim keeps trying for the nano brewery as I will surely seek out his beer once he is up and running. The billiards hall would be a great addition to that neighborhood, and while I myself am not a country fan, I would welcome the addition to old city which is my neighborhood my only issue with that project is the proposed billboard in the plans that have changed more time then I can count.

    • eldondre

      It sounds like the civic is for 1200 bank but there are one or two well heeled residents of the white building trying to screw everyone else. that’s a great use for the space. even the old city proposal sounds like a decent one. Dicicco is right to introduce legislation you can’t run a city to appease an extreme minority.

    • herman

      There is no beer better than Keystone Light.

    • Tony

      I generally agree with the sentiment that Center City ought to have lots of density and diversity, and the more the merrier. And people who live in Center City generally understand this, and expect to live with a certain level of noise, and even mayhem, some of the time. Personally, I live down the street from numerous bars, including an after-hours club, and I am routinely awakened with noise from drunken people in the middle of the night, not to mention the medical helicopters, ambulances and early morning trash trucks. But you live with it. The 1200 Bank project is a bit different, however, because they don’t want to contain their club inside, but want to have a large outdoor roofdeck, where crowds of club goers will be loudly partying just 40 feet or so from people’s living room and bedroom windows. That seems a bit much to me. Let them have the billiard hall, but keep the noise and activity inside. Is that too much to ask? If I lived in the White Building, I would be pretty upset at the idea of having a big outdoor party so close to my living space every night of the week. I think the 1200 Bank developers are being greedy here, trying to turn this modest building into some sort of mega-club. If they just settle for an upscale billiard hall without the outdoor party deck, I’m sure the opposition would evaporate.

    • Mike

      Tony, I’m confused, you keep talking about a “club”, which 1200 Bank is not. Your straw man is nothing more than a scare crow.